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that they will spend destrotd super bowl coverage, sign the petition and find it at savenextseason.com. if we can get a million fans to sign this petition, think how that would change the debate here. >> listen, you certainly have my signature. brian a pleasure. david always good to see you. that will do it for us. i'm dylan ratigan and "hardball" with chris matthews starts right here right now on egypt. egypt on trial. let's play "hardball". good evening i'm chris matthews. down in washington leading off tonight crackdown. these are the pictures the egyptian government does not want the world to see. the government has arrested, detained and in many cases physically attacked foreign journalists trying to cover what amounts to a revolution. media outlets have been shut
down and cameras smashed and it has become increasingly difficult for us to bring this story but we will hear tonight from rifrd endichard engel in j moment. first we had glenn beck. now we hear claims that the obama administration is taking its orders from fundamentalist muslims who have been inuntil at any rated into the conservative organizes as well. was next? tell us to shoot somebody else in the head? wow. plus here's what donald rumsfeld remembers in his new book that president bush came to him two weeks after 9/11 and talked about war with iraq. here's what he forgets that whiling the pentagon was still smoldering that day it was rumsfeld himself who was targeted saddam hussein despite the fact that iraq didn't attack us. tonight we play rummy. while republicans wanted to run, president obama seems to be
launching his re-election campaign, today he hit two points republicans love to question, his christianity and winning the future. guess who suddenly is looking stronger for 2012. let me finish with glenn beck's cracker barrel crack up. let me start with the situation in egypt. joining me on the phone in cairo is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, what do we make of this call for trials of president mubarak and people like vice president omar suleiman? >> reporter: the call for trials for the people he believes is instigating. >> no, actually we got a report tonight that one of the strategists described as such with news eliminate brotherhood who is over in italy is saying that that's one of the goals of the revolution. to put the president mubarak on trial and other egyptian officials. is this overwritten this story? >> reporter: i think so. i've spoken to lots of
protesters on the ground, i've spoken to protest leaders. maybe they feel that way tonight because two of the main activists who were organizing the demonstrations in tahrir had their offices raided, that it's been part of a crackdown we've been seeing not on the protest today or people organizing it and people trying to cover it. journalists included one of the reasons i'm not in front of the camera like which was you the other day is journalists that have been forced to play this cat and mouse game hiding where they are broading from for fear their offices will not be raided by mubarak or one of his security services. going fwurj enamel point i haven't heard people talking about putting mubarak on trial, they want him to leave the country, step down and hold the election. >> let me ask you about the attitude by the government over there towards us, towards the united states. what is that now? has that changed? has he directed it against us
because of our public position urging him to move? >> reporter: he has not as far as we can tell. president mubarak gave an interview wabc news with christine amanpour and according to a transcript of that he gave body language implying that he feels a little bit betrayed and snubbed by president obama as lack of backing him. but we've not heard any public statements accusing the united states. instead the vice president, omar suleiman went on state television today and he offered a completely different scenery on what's going on in tahrir square. everybody in this country is focused on what happened yesterday. there was a large peaceful gathering. then attacked. there was organized thugs that everyone in this country and certainly all the protesters believed was organized by president mubarak and his political party to break up this
demonstration. the vice president came out and said we had nothing to do with this. this was a conspiracy that the protest movement and the violence is a plot that is cooked up by big business, foreign media and the muslim brotherhood. he didn't explain how those three forces are working together. but he believes that a larger conspiracy is at work to try to tear down the fabric of egyptian society. >> richard, in your mind's eye, tomorrow is the deadline by the protesters for the egyptian government to give up and move on, what do you see happening tomorrow? can you imagine it? >> reporter: you know, it's very difficult to speculate. i can tell you what i'm looking at now and what the protesters expect. they are in tahrir square in very large numbers. more tonight are spending the night in tahrir because they expect tomorrow will be a showdown. all day i've been watching them set up more barricades in the
corners of tahrir square. that was where they were primarily attacked yesterday. so they are getting ready for battle. protesters were unprepared when the, to use the language the hurricanes goon squads came in and attacked them the other day. now they set up barricades, they set up these metal shields and ready for battle. they set up an infirmary. they are using revolutionary justice, having arrested and interrogated more than hundred people and that interrogation center in the subway below at that rare square. they turned this into a military camp and expect to be attacked. government may wait it out. may send in tanks. more good squads could arrive. we continue know how this will play out. >> is there any walls that we're up against, the wall tomorrow of a deadline? what does it mean? what is their threat?
second wall, is there a food shortage? something that's going to stop the military from supporting mubarak? something where they actually can't survive as an urban society? are those walls coming up on this situation or not? >> reporter: you could have a large demonstration, and it could be very boisterous and lots of cheering. if it's peaceful and no one intervenes, not the police, not the army, not the goon squads, then perhaps if the government decides to take that approach, then we can wait it out. there are economic problems here. there's limits on money you can take out of the banks. most of the atms in cairo are out of cash. the country is not completely paralyzed. egypt like many developing countries don't have dependence on internet or computers or the
flow of trucks moving in. it is a country that can deal with shortage and hardship fairly well just by the nature of it. people can still get food. we were able to go out and get food. the problem is the danger. there's no school, no banks, no stock market, no tourists. the vice president, omar suleiman, he said a million tourists have left egypt in the last nine days. >> thank you so much richard engel. take care of yourself. looks like tomorrow will be a big detain history. thank you for joining us. our chief foreign affairs correspondent. we're covering it as an event but i want to cover it from the politics of this. mubarak, i've understood it, we americans know it's not like some game we're not into. he's a strong man. not truly a democrat. he wanted his son to replace
him. we've known this all these years. he pulled our bacon out of the fire, he saved our bacon back when anwar sadat was gunned down. he held the stability of egypt together. is he our enemy or ally. >> he's our ally. that's undeniable. he has outlived his day. so his regime had to come to an end. the point that we have to bear in mind more clearly is that our wish has to have some relationship to reality. that is to say we can't expect that regime to be transformed overnight into really full blown democracy. when we say to him the transition must begin now with the word, operative word must not even should begin now but must we're dictating. what are we dictating. then mr. gibbs says now means yesterday. and that's not going to go over very well with a country with a
rich history, genuine pride, very important role in the middle east. i think we have to be a little more subtle and more patient. i fully agree with the president and everybody else that wasn't democracy in egypt. but how and on what level, with what extent we have to ask ourselves whether we know the answer. >> according to an interview with abc news mubarak told -- this is second hand -- he told president obama, you don't understand the egyptian culture and what would happen if i step down. is he saying in a situation with a mass demonstration going on, you're not going to get a good reaction, a good result politically, the people will be excited, they may go to an extreme group like the muslim brotherhood. if on the other hand you allow an election nice smooth boring election you have a better chance of a modern force taking over. is that what he's saying? >> to some extent. he's saying something else. don't you had my lie at it me.
don't put me down. i've been your friend. think of the future. think of the impact it has on our quote-unquote other friends in the middle east. so we have to play it cool. we have to be clear we want a democratic change in egypt. but we have to be willing to encourage the emergence of a genuine political process, because suppose he resigns tomorrow. would omar suleiman be better? would some unknown jump in. what about the demonstrators. are they organized. do they have leaders. do they have a program. they say they want democracy. what do they mean by democracy. >> your experience with cia and other intelligence units do you think we know the answers to those questions? >> we know them partially but i'm not sure we know them fully. we have to look at historical examples. i was involved in a time in which an important friend of our, iran changed hands politically. we had a weak shah and opposition to the shah.
that's very different from the opposition in egypt because on the one hand it was khomeni and it religious fanatics that hated america but on the other hand at the same time the communist party favoring the soviet union also hating america. so there was no alternative. here there is an alternative. there's people like mohammed el baradei and political pressures and middle class. we have to permit time for political process which begins to institutionalize. >> don't push him too hard. >> don't push him. don't try to give orders from washington. >> we wouldn't be so bad if a week or two he was still there. >> of dmourts. >> everything steenls based hour by hour. >> don't judge the situation in egypt by watching television. just think about this. what we're watching day after day, hour after hour is tahrir square, liberation square. this is a city of 15 million
people. what's going on in the rest of the city? are there riots. are people getting killed. and so forth. we're sort of consent straight -- >> i was over there just last year with my wife. once you're out of downtown cairo there's a lot of rural life that's much different than what we're seeing. it's a huge city. >> the country is much different than the city. thank you. i like watching you in the morning on "morning joe" with your beautiful daughter. coming up, the right-wing crack up continues. yesterday we told you about glenn beck spreading fear about a coming muslim to extend across europe. some of the writers saying the obama administration is taking its orders from muslim fundamentalists. who is buying this malarky. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. there's a hospital where technology has a healing touch. there's a factory giving old industries new life. and there's a train that got a whole city moving again.
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welcome back to "hardball". as the crisis continues in egypt and may continue on for quite a while, the right-wing led by glenn beck don't traffic in conspiracy theories. they have more to do with scaring this country than getting out the truth. what are they up to this time? gentlemen, thank you both for being with us. i sometimes am not surprised by
right or left wing argument in this country, sometimes the rhetoric is rather wholesome. not catch glenn beckon tuesday night. this diatribe. he talks about an ancient babylon. >> iraq is important especially to the shi'ites. what's in iraq, there's one place we told our bombers not to bomb. does anybody know what it was? two warriors in iraq we said no bombing there. ancient babylon. ancient babylon. why? because the bible tells us that that is the seat right here of power of a global evil empire. well that's also where the 12th imam from iran is supposedly going to show up. everybody on this side wants
ancient babylon. >> you know, before we go any further, i have rarely heard anything like this on television in my life but let me ask our guests. what is he saying about the decision by our bombing fleet, our bombers, those who are directed, the civilians that control our military under both bushes, that they somehow decided as part of some global thing they are envisioning they told our bombing people when they put the sorties together don't hit an significant babylon that's the center of evil, the seat of power of a global evil empire. are the bushes involved -- what in hell is this man talking about? your thoughts wide-open question. >> well that seems to be one of the hurdles. he's rewriting history
backwards. look, glenn beck has for years now at fox he's dug himself this sort of conspiratorial hole and will keep digging. >> people believe in these grand conspiracies. it wasn't just the cia or the fbi it wasn't just nixon and johnson, it was the irish mafia and bob kennedy. everybody was involved. once you start going into this, you have to come up with an explanation why somebody didn't catch somebody. >> so now every piece of breaking news fits perfectly into his grand plan. he wasn't talking about egypt two months ago but if you listen to him now of course it makes perfect sense because he was warning about this leftist islamist revolution. it won't just happen in america it's going spread worldwide. >> i want to give you another piece of cake for this. strange cake. now here's the story.
just as a set up to this so we remember, so we don't forget what beck is building. he's for a while said the president is a socialist and a communist. that's very important to understand. and socialists have a lot to do, they were part of the modern israel, labor party, heroes were socialists. he has this strange new theory now socialists who he identifies with fortunate, communists who he identifies with our president are the ones behind all this. here he is, behind the trouble in egypt. here he is talking about the socialists and communist, the obama people working together with extreme islam. let's listen to this latest. >>. i want the left to know. i plant my fact in this soil. groups from the hard core socialist and communist left and extreme islam will work together because they are both of common enemy of israel and the jew. islam wants a caliphate.
communists apartment communist new world order. they will work together and they will destabilize because they both want chaos. >> this makes absolutely no sense on any level. it makes no sense. >> where this community party meeting these days? >> don't you know? the communists and islamists work together. except then hate each other. >> you know who hates the socialists the most is the communists. socialists were a big part of building the modern israel. >> this is the stuff where you prescribe normally medication. i'm serious. normally it does nobody any good. glenn beck says this, he says that. >> what so saying now? >> i think frankly it is a case that he's done the conspiracy hole so deep he has to keep
digging. watch those pictures from cairo and it makes you anxious. it causes anxiety among a lot of people because, and why not. these are anxious times. so here's this guy who is just compounding people's anxiety with these loopy conspiracy theories and i think it's -- if you have that sort of platform, you have that megaphone that he has, that you have, that i have with a column, there's a certain responsibility that comes with that. if you don't recognize that you're just a jerk. >> you guys have been studying this guy for a long time. what is he trying -- is there a logic here? has he gotten deeper and deeper. is you just get so far into these conspiracy theories and blaming anything left of center that's evil in the world you blame everything on them and tie it all together with barack obama is a socialist, a
communist, he's within the muslim brotherhood. they are all working against you. that's paranoia talk. >> what you see in cairo, it's coming to the states. it's coming from the left. and now we're being told it's going to look like cairo. so this is part of -- this is just part of the conspiracy. basically i think it's a rating schtick. beck is at heart a radio guy. they are haunted by the idea of falling ratings. january was his worst ratings month ever at fox news. he always needs a schtick. so egypt is the new one and caliph caliphate is the new one. even his viewers is saying where is this going? >> it goes to the theory where most crazy people go.
they want one simple theory. let's go to frank. frank believes we're about to go under shshira law. >> what is going on in part is that the obama administration's policies are being viewed through and actually articulated and now implemented through influence operations that the muslim brotherhood itself is running in our own country. you cannot possibly get your strategy right, you can't execute it effectively if you don't know that the enemy is actually giving you advice on how to proceed. >> what's he talking about? >> again, i have no idea. >> he says secretary of homeland defense is getting advice from
these people the muslim brotherhood. >> not just the secretary of defense, also you, i guess, and the immediate jane general getting advice from the muslim brotherhood. i just -- you know, let me state for the record, shira law is not coming to the united states. >> i'm about your age. we saw the "invisible man" when i was a kid. that's what this is about. the invisible man is coming to get you. check under the bed. make sure there's no possible explains your bedroom he can be. this is about pure utter fear mongering. >> frank is not just on the obama administration he's been claiming the conservative movement, cpac that they have been infiltrated by the muslim brotherhood. >> those red s.o.b.'s at cpac. >> the muslim brotherhood has
the entire beltway wired. >> thanks. you're doing great work. up next a moment would be republican -- any moment a would be republican -- by the way this is what he does. his endorsement of sarah palin. wait until you see this. we forgot this little gem. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] at&t has big news about the new motorola bravo.
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that suggests some people are either tired of what they are doing or want a new course. romney was corrected by the host of that radio show on that point. but the bigger question here f-the president wants to change course what's wrong with switching up his team. isn't that what you want a leader to do? anyway this whole issue is a feeble effort focus attention on his supposed business sense. if this is the best he's got forget it. up next revisionist history and donald rumsfield new memoir he suggests it was president bush not him who brought the idea of invading iraq. wasn't it rumsfeld who first suggested hours ever that attack on the pentagon on 9/11. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. here's the truth:
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i have your cnbc market wrap. stocks clawed back from early throws finish slightly higher. the dow jones industrials climbed 20 points. no surprises from the federal reserve but a truckload of economic earnings and retail reports doing a good job of stirring the markets today. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke staying the course on plans for another round ever economic stimulus, despite the encouraging from the labor. department. that's ahead of tomorrow's huge monthly report which is always a big market mover. another big bump of worker productivity. up 3.6%. we also learned that the service sector grew at its fastest pace in six years.
factory orders and shipments edged up in december. economists had been expecting a decline. finally some surprisingly strong retail results in january despite all that snow. that's it from cnbc. we're first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball". back to "hardball". donald rumsfield upcoming memoir, known and unknown indicating he may be distancing himself from the iraq war and laying blame on president bush. "new york times" obtained a copy of the book and he said bush insisted on new military plans for attack on iraq 15 days after the take on the pentagon. but rumsfeld's sights were already set on iraq. rumsfeld wanted to hit saddam hussein at the same time not to
look only at osama bin laden. he was in afghanistan at the time. with me "the washington post" bradley graham who wrote a biography of rumsfeld and saw an advance copy of the memoir. thank you. you have the advantage. you've seen the whole book, 800 pages of it. what is the general purpose of this former secretary. is he embracing the war with iraq? is he claiming to have had a peripheral role or how would you describe. >> it's >> he's embracing the war with iraq. he defends his management of it. and he justifies it. he says imagine what the middle east would have been like, how much more perilous it would have been without saddam hussein. >> steve, we got reports from nbc that within four hours of the bombing of the pentagon he was talking it. now we're getting in this book the fact that the president was talking about it all early.
all of this is much earlier than publicly disclosed the fact that this administration was going to iraq on the pretext of what happened on 9/11. not having that pretext they had it and wanted to use it. as rahm emanuel would say don't let any crisis go unexploited. >> i'll reserve judgment until i read the book. what i've heard i'm struck by the rich irony. this is classic donald rumsfeld. anybody that knows this guy's history know he's the guy who wrote rumsfeld's rules back in the 1970s. this guy that had a scheme on how to survive in washington and american politics and all about make being sure you're not the one left holding the ball, make being sure -- holding the bag. making sure others get the blame. this is especially rich irony when you consider that he was brought into the administration of the son of a man who was one of his chief enemies within the republican party in the 1970s, george bush sr..
if george w. bush had learned anything from the example of his father and the experiences of his father in politic, woe have known do not ever trust. donald rumsfeld, the guy is shark. but from the first day, george w. bush took the advice ever dick cheney and brought him in and handed him the pentagon. you're looking nine, ten years later rumsfeld is hanging bush out the dry. don't say bush wasn't warned. >> he did, in fact, fax to cheney and the secretary of defense, they were able to double-team colin powell and neutralized him. here's an interview i did with donald rumsfeld back in 2004. it's bizarre. did you advise the president to go war? >> he did not ask me is the question. to my knowledge there are any number of people he did not ask. >> did that surprise as secretary of defense? >> thought it was interesting. >> what do you make that? we have a chain of a command.
we have cabinet system, the president operates through the cabinet, you know, the football of course where we go to work, the president has to operate through the secretary of defense. we have protocols. here the secretary of defense that launched the war was never asked by the about do you think we should do it. do you think that's the kind of conversation, there would have bean moment what do you think, don? never. >> you would think that. it sounds strange bush never did. rumsfeld talks about this in his book. he said he was surprised that the president didn't ask him but then again the president rumsfeld said probably didn't need to because he knew what rumsfeld's answer would be. >> aren't there those -- don't we have checks when we go into a war to do a countdown kind of thing, just to get this straight, you think this is a good policy. isn't this why we have a cabinet, formally ask is this the right thing for our country? are there no other option.
we have to go to war. war is the last thing do you. >> bush does call together all the chiefs before the invasion and has them express whether they have any reservations about the war plan and they don't. >> well, i think, you know, colin powell did but i think he was cowered into this. this whole question, i do believe that there has been an unpopularity of the war in iraq. i believe it. i believe most people believe whatever the evidence so far concluded it wasn't worth it, didn't get us what we wanted, gave us a pro iranian government going to be led by sadr who has been living in iran and going to end up having two irans instead of one. israel will find itself with two shia led governments more than when you had the ltwo
loggerheads. steve, your thoughts about this. i don't think anybody will be proud of this war. your thoughts. >> no. it gets back to the question i raised about why george w. bush brought donald rumsfeld into his administration in the first place. the question goes beyond rumsfeld. rumsfeld is a galling example because of the history he had bush's father. but if you look at the people who had bush's ear in days after 9/11,er brought in guys who believed in the concept of getting rid of saddam hussein. these were the guys who were looking for an excuse, a reason to go into iraq because it was part of a broader grand design. you outlined the consequences of that but the question to me is why did george w. bush the son of a man for all you want to say about george bush sr. and he was realist about the middle east.
why would his son bring these people in and lean on him and not his father and not his father's advisors in the days and weeks after 9/11. >> got one answer. freud. your thoughts. >> there's ain't being anecdote that rumsfeld provides in his book. when bush was looking for a vice president, rumsfeld's name came up. and cheney later tells rumsfeld that bush's dad did not quote salute the idea end quote of rumsfeld becoming bush's running mate. he was nixed early. mums field was not bush's first choice of secretary of defense. then late in the game bush turned to rumsfeld. >> who was dick cheney's first dhoibs vice president under george w. bush? deck cheney. he wired it. you know, i'm never going to believe that cheney wasn't more powerful than bush when it came to i.q..
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knees any times by the overwhelming conviction that i had no place else to go. >> that's pretty good. anyway we're back that was president obama today at the national prayer breakfast talk about his faith. he's also not shying aay fr ini. is president obama already running himself? is he often running? we're joined now by msnbc political analyst richard wo wolffe. what's up here? >> about this time a year, every year, he does a personal speech. he goes to churches, the sunday before martin luther king day. this is a prayer breakfast, but he's showing he's fluent in the language of faith. and he's showing there is some kind of underlying value philosophy through his whole political career. he talked about civil rights, the importance of religion there
and how inspirational that was for him. but this is about him doing what he finds a very reluctant tant thing, to go personal apublic. >> what do you think? do you think we should have a president explain his religion to people? >> that's what people expect. >> mark, are you comfortable with it? where a president has to defensively or offensively talk about what he believes in terms in of religion. >> anyone who's thinking of running for president against this guy should go watch that speech. it was more than just about faith. it was his philosophy, it was a brilliant performance. this guy has game. what are all the reasons barack obama is favored for being re-elected? forget the electoral college and unemployment rate and earnings and all that. that performance has a level of sophistication and skill that not one republican on the field right now can duplicate. >> let's talk about the gallup poll. since the mid-term election, he's been doing a lot better since christmas. he's hovering around around 50%,
but these things are done, sort of accumulated averaging. the rolling average just keeps getting better, mark. i can think of three things. the stock market. when are the republicans, who make the most money in the stock market going to say you know what, bush couldn't do this. this guy started off down near the drain and now he's up near the faucet. we're pretty high up. this all happened because he must be doing something right. the unemployment rate is perhaps going to start inching downward. the poll numbers are going up. is this creating a confidence in this man's heart? your thoughts? . >> i think the economy getting better and a very self-conscious appeal to repair relationships with business. but i think it's the tone. the tone you saw in the lame duck session and the state of the union. it's an optimistic tone and not a sarcastic tone. he can be beaten, but no republican today is performing at that level, inspiring the kind of confidence and presiding over economic recovery the way
he is. >> quickly, here he is up at penn state. >> you understand that it's not going to be a cake walk, this competition for the future, which means all of us are going to have to up our game. we are going to have to win the future by being smarter and working harder and working together. if we want those jobs and businesses to thrive in the united states of america, we're going to have to outinnovate and outeducate and outinnovate the rest of the world. that's what we're going to have to do. >> winning the future, richard, can he get the guy, the guy 56 years old, worried about his future, may have lost his job, maybe willing to listen to some cases about training in new jobs if they're there? can he win that argument? >> the interesting thing, when they've focused group and poll tested this stuff -- they did it
last year. some of this stuff was in the state of the union last year. it didn't poll well with women. with men it does. it's competitive, patriotic. you're asking about the personal situation, you can never within a microeconomic argument. people don't believe what have politicians tell them about their own economic situation. jobs have to come back in the real world for these people. but a broad political message, works much better for men than women. >> the whole question, can he win the -- you know, we argue about this all the time on this show. from scranton to oshkosh, the wipeout in november. can he bring those people back to the democrats this time? >> until republicans pivot from health care and deficit reduction to their own ideas on jobs, i think he's going to win by default. >> i'm going to be right back with something interesting to say about glenn beck and whether he's still got everything organized up here. you're watching "hardball" only
let me finish tonight with this country's own version of deranged politics. we think of the rhetoric that comes out of the middle east as incessantly wildly over the top. people shout out death to this or death to that. it's never, i happen to disagree with that. it's always, this guy is the devil and i have the truth of the god on my side. well, we shouldn't be so
arrogant. there are people in the west who talk with the same violence, hatred and religious absolutism that we see on the streets of sky roe. one of them, glenn beck. we showed you his charges earlier this week, that bush father and son being in cahoots with the muslim brotherhood, guiding our bombers to avoid what is the world capital of what beck proclaims to be the seat of power in the global caliphate stretching right across europe. so our two recent republican pret assistants, protestants last time i looked, really in league with the muslim extremists. they're working for the reaccomplishment of a global caliphate? well, this is talk obviously from nut country. the two bushes avoid hitting a target in a war because they want to guard it for a future seat of power of a global evil empire. why would they do that? why would any american president do such a thing as participate in the struc